Comments on: Movie Review - Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/ We waste our money so you don't have to. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:17:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.3 By: Ecks http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-715 Ecks Wed, 06 May 2009 22:33:54 +0000 http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-715 Ironic that I quoted Futurama at the end of my comment on your review for "The Undiscovered Country" before reading this one. Actually, now that I think about it, this one wasn't even up on the main page when I clicked to read the rest of that article. Pertaining, however, to that quote, I'd have to say that the four "Next Generation" cast movies average out to be FAR better than the six original cast movies, and feature far deeper themes and much darker tones. Though the seven "Star Wars" films (that's right, I'm even counting "The Clone Wars") DEFINITELY average out to be better than any set of six, four, or ten Star Trek films you can compile. If you throw in those Ewok movies that got theatrical releases in Europe, though, maybe you can drag that average down enough to crown "Star Trek" king. At least you're only working on three t. v. series. I'm working on seven, and one of them is the "Ghost in the Shell" show, so that's like trying to watch ten different t. v. shows at once. That said, however, it IS an amazing program. I'll never understand why they didn't just re-cast Saavik again, opting instead to have Kim Cattrall play a character doing a Saavik impression; it's not as though the change from whoever the hell played Saavik in "The Search for Spock" and "The Voyage Home" to Cattrall would've been anymore noticeable or jarring than the change to whoever the hell she is from Kristie Alley was. Ironic that I quoted Futurama at the end of my comment on your review for “The Undiscovered Country” before reading this one. Actually, now that I think about it, this one wasn’t even up on the main page when I clicked to read the rest of that article. Pertaining, however, to that quote, I’d have to say that the four “Next Generation” cast movies average out to be FAR better than the six original cast movies, and feature far deeper themes and much darker tones. Though the seven “Star Wars” films (that’s right, I’m even counting “The Clone Wars”) DEFINITELY average out to be better than any set of six, four, or ten Star Trek films you can compile. If you throw in those Ewok movies that got theatrical releases in Europe, though, maybe you can drag that average down enough to crown “Star Trek” king.

At least you’re only working on three t. v. series. I’m working on seven, and one of them is the “Ghost in the Shell” show, so that’s like trying to watch ten different t. v. shows at once. That said, however, it IS an amazing program.

I’ll never understand why they didn’t just re-cast Saavik again, opting instead to have Kim Cattrall play a character doing a Saavik impression; it’s not as though the change from whoever the hell played Saavik in “The Search for Spock” and “The Voyage Home” to Cattrall would’ve been anymore noticeable or jarring than the change to whoever the hell she is from Kristie Alley was.

]]> By: Dale Nauertz http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-717 Dale Nauertz Thu, 07 May 2009 01:49:25 +0000 http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-717 Actually, Meyer WANTED her to play Saavik but Roddenberry didn't want Saavik to turn out to be bad and vetoed it. Too bad they didn't just wait a year and make the film then, because Gene would have been dead and therefore wouldn't have had anything to say on the matter. As for how many series I'm trying to watch at once, I think 3 might have been a conservative estimate. I just started "The Tudors", which is pretty interesting thus far, my wife and I are devouring season 4 of the new "Doctor Who", and I'm sorta plugging away at Season 3 of "Futurama", Season 1 of "Enterprise" (I figured my love of Scott Bakula might help me get interested in a "Trek" series), Season 2 of both "Wild Wild West" and "Magnum P.I." and the second season of "Moonlighting". I think you've still got more hats in the air than I do, but I've still got way too many things going at once. Oh, and I have to catch up on the current season of "Lost" at some point. Grrrr. Actually, Meyer WANTED her to play Saavik but Roddenberry didn’t want Saavik to turn out to be bad and vetoed it. Too bad they didn’t just wait a year and make the film then, because Gene would have been dead and therefore wouldn’t have had anything to say on the matter.

As for how many series I’m trying to watch at once, I think 3 might have been a conservative estimate. I just started “The Tudors”, which is pretty interesting thus far, my wife and I are devouring season 4 of the new “Doctor Who”, and I’m sorta plugging away at Season 3 of “Futurama”, Season 1 of “Enterprise” (I figured my love of Scott Bakula might help me get interested in a “Trek” series), Season 2 of both “Wild Wild West” and “Magnum P.I.” and the second season of “Moonlighting”. I think you’ve still got more hats in the air than I do, but I’ve still got way too many things going at once. Oh, and I have to catch up on the current season of “Lost” at some point. Grrrr.

]]> By: Ecks http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-718 Ecks Thu, 07 May 2009 02:18:44 +0000 http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-718 Man, I'd kill for some more forum activity. I fear my recent sixteen hundred word treatise on "films I might see, maybe" may have stifled more than it did stimulate. Man, I’d kill for some more forum activity. I fear my recent sixteen hundred word treatise on “films I might see, maybe” may have stifled more than it did stimulate.

]]> By: hossrex http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-719 hossrex Thu, 07 May 2009 04:55:12 +0000 http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-719 Nice review... but man... Dale... I could just sell you some S&M stuff if that's what you're really into. You don't have to go through all the trouble of watching Enterprise just to punish yourself. Scott Bakula is a god amongst men, I absolutely agree, but for some reason he's like a piece of plywood on Enterprise. As you watch the episodes though, check out this site and read the reviews: http://www.firsttvdrama.com/enterprise/e1.php3 It's not my site, but it's hilarious. Much more entertaining than actually watching the episodes. Nice review… but man… Dale… I could just sell you some S&M stuff if that’s what you’re really into. You don’t have to go through all the trouble of watching Enterprise just to punish yourself.

Scott Bakula is a god amongst men, I absolutely agree, but for some reason he’s like a piece of plywood on Enterprise.

As you watch the episodes though, check out this site and read the reviews: http://www.firsttvdrama.com/enterprise/e1.php3

It’s not my site, but it’s hilarious. Much more entertaining than actually watching the episodes.

]]> By: Jones http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-720 Jones Thu, 07 May 2009 05:21:01 +0000 http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-720 I wish I only had 3 TV series to work my way through at the moment! To make matters worse, I discovered that the first season of the Star Trek TV show is available in streaming HD from Netflix. So I watched the "Space Seed" episode the other night and have to admit it was pretty good. I watched the first episode too (can't remember its name) and that wasn't as cool. "Space Seed" was good enough to get me to try to watch Khan again, but I still managed to doze off a couple of times. From what I did watch though, I have to admit that it was better than I remembered but still not exactly anything amazing. I wish I only had 3 TV series to work my way through at the moment! To make matters worse, I discovered that the first season of the Star Trek TV show is available in streaming HD from Netflix.

So I watched the “Space Seed” episode the other night and have to admit it was pretty good. I watched the first episode too (can’t remember its name) and that wasn’t as cool.

“Space Seed” was good enough to get me to try to watch Khan again, but I still managed to doze off a couple of times. From what I did watch though, I have to admit that it was better than I remembered but still not exactly anything amazing.

]]> By: Ecks http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-722 Ecks Thu, 07 May 2009 18:01:24 +0000 http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-722 Are you talking about The Menagerie, the show's pilot? Good/great concept, tepid execution. Are you talking about The Menagerie, the show’s pilot? Good/great concept, tepid execution.

]]> By: Jones http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-723 Jones Fri, 08 May 2009 00:41:02 +0000 http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-723 Nope. Haven't seen that one. It was called "The Mantrap" I believe. I think Ben said that chronologically it isn't the first episode, but it is the first one that aired. It was okay, but definitely no "Space Seed". SS is the best Trek I've seen. Period. Too bad it isn't all like that... Nope. Haven’t seen that one. It was called “The Mantrap” I believe. I think Ben said that chronologically it isn’t the first episode, but it is the first one that aired.

It was okay, but definitely no “Space Seed”. SS is the best Trek I’ve seen. Period. Too bad it isn’t all like that…

]]> By: hossrex http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-724 hossrex Fri, 08 May 2009 02:30:58 +0000 http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-724 Eww... Mantrap. That episode proves that the idiotic mentality that ruined Firefly has always existed in Hollywood. "Where No Man Has Gone Before" is the actual second pilot (after "The Cage". "The Menagerie" was the two parter they later aired with most of "The Cage" spliced in as... well... basically historical documents). It's a little high concept compared to what came later, but it's pretty good. I recommend "The Corbomite Maneuver", "Amok Time", and even though fandom hates it... "The Enterprise Incident". Mantrap was weak. Eww… Mantrap.

That episode proves that the idiotic mentality that ruined Firefly has always existed in Hollywood.

“Where No Man Has Gone Before” is the actual second pilot (after “The Cage”. “The Menagerie” was the two parter they later aired with most of “The Cage” spliced in as… well… basically historical documents). It’s a little high concept compared to what came later, but it’s pretty good.

I recommend “The Corbomite Maneuver”, “Amok Time”, and even though fandom hates it… “The Enterprise Incident”.

Mantrap was weak.

]]> By: Ecks http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-727 Ecks Fri, 08 May 2009 15:27:51 +0000 http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-727 Speaking of great episodes, I've always questioned the consideration of "City on the Edge of Forever" as a great Star Trek episode. It might be one of the greatest television episodes of all time, but as far as Star Trek itself goes, considering the show in a vacuum, it's really not an example of what made the show great to me. Rather, it's an example of what made Harlan Ellison great. Certainly, the episode fit Star Trek rather nicely, but I felt it strayed too far from the show's formula. Which isn't to demand everything be formulaic, mind you, but something about it doesn't feel like Star Trek to me; rather, it feels as though these characters could've been joined, never before seen, in medias res at the opening of a Twilight Zone episode, and it all would've been more apt. Speaking of great episodes, I’ve always questioned the consideration of “City on the Edge of Forever” as a great Star Trek episode. It might be one of the greatest television episodes of all time, but as far as Star Trek itself goes, considering the show in a vacuum, it’s really not an example of what made the show great to me. Rather, it’s an example of what made Harlan Ellison great. Certainly, the episode fit Star Trek rather nicely, but I felt it strayed too far from the show’s formula. Which isn’t to demand everything be formulaic, mind you, but something about it doesn’t feel like Star Trek to me; rather, it feels as though these characters could’ve been joined, never before seen, in medias res at the opening of a Twilight Zone episode, and it all would’ve been more apt.

]]> By: hossrex http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-728 hossrex Fri, 08 May 2009 21:53:37 +0000 http://afistfulofreviews.com/2009/05/06/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country/#comment-728 Agreed about City on the Edge of Forever. Fun episode, but yeah... more Twilight Zone-y. In my opinion "The Corbomite Maneuver" represents everything about good Star Trek. Agreed about City on the Edge of Forever. Fun episode, but yeah… more Twilight Zone-y.

In my opinion “The Corbomite Maneuver” represents everything about good Star Trek.

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